The interview

'Beware of soulless neighbourhoods, gentrification is a risk'

Fabrizio Capaccioli. The president of the Green building council Italia association: we need a decree that heals what was done in Milan but then we have to give ourselves rules that are more respectful and sustainable

by Sara Monaci

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"The city must become polycentric, but beware of gentrification that creates empty neighbourhoods devoid of services and social life". Fabrizio Capaccioli, president of the Green building council Italia association, looks at Italian and Milanese development from his privileged observatory, that of the leading international organisation in favour of sustainable building. And with pragmatism he warns against a risk: that real estate operations born on paper do not take into account people's real needs and problems. Starting with the economic ones.

What do you think of the Pgt currently being developed in Milan, which should be reviewed in the light of the investigations for building abuse and in view of a possible 'save Milan'?

The main value of this Pgt is to strive to enforce building limits but at the same time to implement a neighbourhood plan. I certainly believe that the guideline should be the idea of a polycentric city, where everyone can live, with peripheral development that looks towards new sustainable building. But be careful how this is done. The neighbourhoods must be accessible, built with decorum and services, with squares and greenery, schools and services. We must say no to gentrification that builds without thinking about communities. Instead this has often been done, in many cities we see new neighbourhoods, perhaps beautiful, but without soul, without balance.

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How do you create real neighbourhoods?

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Looking precisely at the needs of real people: schools, parks, meeting places, trivially cemeteries and municipal offices.

This brings us to a reflection on Milanese development in recent years. The Milan City Council defends its policy of speed and bureaucratisation, while the public prosecutor's office has gone on the attack with enquiries accusing officials and professionals of illegal subdivision. To whom do you agree?

We should make distinctions on a case-by-case basis, but I believe the prosecutor's observation is correct, there has been an exasperation of construction, warehouses have been turned into buildings housing hundreds of people without asking how to revise and enrich the neighbourhood. Of course this makes it easier for the builders, but the social balance is lost. Some buildings were built inappropriately, without assessment of the area in which they were located. Instead, an overall, more sustainable work should be done.

But how do we get out of it? By now there are dozens of investigations into constructions already underway. And municipal officials under investigation.

Inevitably, I see the solution as a compromise: we need a decree that sanitises what has been done, with pragmatism, but then we have to give ourselves more respectful and sustainable rules. Perhaps by easing the bureaucracy, but in general the quick use of a Scia to construct large buildings instead of sheds is not an adequate instrument.

In Milan and many other cities, people are talking about social housing. Is it possible to create housing that can be rented out cheaply and is sustainable at the same time?

It can and must be done. There are private individuals and cooperatives capable of realising them The problem, however, is always that of an overall view: you cannot build new houses, perhaps even suitable for lower incomes, and then not think about the fact that costs can shoot up by virtue of the very new houses. There must be no public incentives for regeneration without curbing building speculation. In essence: new houses cannot be put on the market until after a certain number of years. Sustainable renting should be favoured.

There is another issue, that of council houses, owned by the municipality, which are given to the really low income brackets. Right now there are no resources even to renovate them.

The resources can be there if management is also opened up to the private sector, as is the case in many other European countries. Just look at the example abroad, there are companies interested in taking over this market segment. Then in general, new ones should be built, but without creating ghettos, because that is where the greatest social tensions arise.

Let's turn to the law on urban regeneration. Gbc is pursuing its own position, but the law seems to be progressing slowly.

The process is ongoing, with several amendments proposed by our association. The text can still be improved. For us, too, the aspect to be emphasised most is the issue of interventions in the suburbs, looking at the ability to regenerate, with affordable housing and multifunctional neighbourhoods.

Europe, meanwhile, is asking us to take action for the so-called Green House, identifying two dates, 2030 and 2050. The Italian government is very critical, what do you think?

Here, too, one must be far-sighted but also realistic. When we talk about eliminating gas boilers by 2040, it seems clear to me that in Italy it is very difficult to achieve this, moreover using heat pumps that are mainly produced abroad. Many old houses are even without heating, which means imagining costs of many tens of thousands of euros per family. Italians know that they have to spend, and to some extent are even willing to accept it, but only if we are within sustainable figures. According to our estimate, each family will have to pay between EUR 55 and 88 thousand over ten years, a figure that needs a public contribution. We also rethink alternative energy, such as geothermal energy, which could be a valuable source for us.

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