Interview

Ceccato: ‘Barclays is focusing on Italia. The EU needs to reform securitisation’

The CEO of Barclays Europe says: “We see scope to develop the various business areas within corporate and investment banking”

by Alessandro Graziani

5' min read

Translated by AI
Versione italiana

5' min read

Translated by AI
Versione italiana

“Barclays aims to grow further in the Italian market, where our group has been present for over 50 years. We see scope to develop the various business areas within corporate and investment banking, and in particular our advisory services, where we have played a leading role in various sectors.” Speaking in this interview with IlSole24Ore is Francesco Ceccato, CEO of Barclays Europe, which operates in 10 countries with 1,200 employees.

In the United States, there has been a succession of multi-billion IPOs in the technology sector, starting with SpaceX’s record-breaking IPO. In Europe, however, including the City of London, there is a lack of medium-to-large-scale IPOs. Is a single European stock exchange needed to try to compete with Nasdaq and the NYSE? Or is that not the issue?

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This is not just a matter of stock markets; I believe it is more appropriate to talk about ecosystems. We must create ecosystems in which it is possible to support entrepreneurs who take risks, who have a technological background perhaps acquired at universities where the infrastructure allows for the testing of certain ideas. This is one of the prerequisites for a company to be supported by a stock market, which needs to be strengthened through a culture of investment that is still limited in Europe. If we do not do this, we will continue to see European citizens’ savings remaining deposited in banks or invested in property. This is not the sort of investment that helps a country’s economic development.

What sort of reforms does Europe need to improve access to financial markets?

We have a European-level regulator that does not yet exercise the same level of supervision over European financial markets as is the case in the United States. There is a legislative initiative, the Market Integration and Supervision Package (MISP), which aims to develop ESMA in this direction; however, this legislation will not come into force until around mid-2027. This would be a positive step, but we are only discussing it now. The other issue which, in my view, is highly significant concerns the securitisation of loans. When we consider the various initiatives aimed at channelling savings – which are currently held as deposits with banks – into investments, we tend to forget that these savings, which are deposits, are what finance the banks’ assets. So if we want to allow these savings to be invested directly in company shares, we must also consider how to free up that balance sheet item. Therefore, the reform of securitisation is, in my view, far more important than is currently realised.

Do you think we will see further cross-border mergers in the European banking sector, in addition to UniCredit’s ongoing attempt to merge with Commerzbank? Or will national governments try to block them?

Looking at recent cross-border transactions in Europe, there have been two such deals in recent times: the acquisition by the Austrian bank Erste Bank of Santander Polska in Poland, for 6.8 billion for a 49 per cent stake in the company, and that by the French bank BPCE, which acquired Novo Banco in Portugal for around 6 billion. These are certainly significant deals, but not on a scale sufficient to create pan-European groups. There is still national resistance, as banks – given the system I described earlier – are of great importance to sovereign states. I believe, however, that the real decisive factor in achieving cross-border mergers between banks is the presence of a strategic plan based on how genuine synergies can be created. It is not easy because we do not yet have a single banking market at European level, and this factor complicates matters. For example, the products offered by a bank, such as a mortgage, are structured very differently from one country to another. For the time being, it seems to me easier to achieve synergies through mergers carried out within a domestic market.

That is what is happening in Italia. What is your view on the proposed merger between BancoBpm and Mps? Will it be able to hold its own against the public takeover bid launched by Intesa Sanpaolo in alliance with Unipol?

I shall not go into the merits of the two different proposals. I can say that both announcements on Monday 8 June were made by players whom I consider to be highly experienced, having gained experience themselves through past transactions, and who are keen to create an even more consolidated market here in Italia. We have already witnessed periods of consolidation within the sector. We acted as advisers to BPER in its transaction with Popolare di Sondrio, and since selling our retail business here in Italia, we intend to continue offering our services as advisers and underwriters for capital increases. We have played a role in the vast majority of capital increases carried out by banks here in Italia, including that of MPS in 2022.

Is artificial intelligence really set to revolutionise the banking sector?

Technology is advancing at an astonishing pace, which undoubtedly entails risks as well as potential opportunities. On the one hand, there is the possibility of personalising customer service in ways that were not previously possible and of using these tools, for example, to protect against fraud. Naturally, the regulator is aware of all this and realises that, ultimately, it must be a real person who takes the risk associated with a banking transaction; you cannot delegate the responsibility for carrying out a specific transaction to a robot. If you do not recruit and train people, and do not allow them to remain accountable for the outcome to the customer and to the regulator, how can you be sure that, as the bank evolves over the next twenty years, you will have the workforce capable of doing so? So, above all, staff training is now essential.

What are Barclays’ growth priorities in Italia?

A few years ago we celebrated our 50th anniversary in Italia; we are here to stay and to expand our operations. We are no longer involved in retail banking in Italia – a sector we exited around 11 years ago – and today our business in Italia is highly diverse, covering the full spectrum of Corporate Investment Banking and Markets. We acted as advisers to Eni on their joint venture in South-East Asia; we played a part in the sale of Versace to Prada; we acted as advisers to Advent in Nextalia regarding their stake in Tinexta, we managed the various share placements for Lottomatica, and we also undertook a mandate in the tech sector with Bending Spoons on the acquisition of WeTransfer. We are pleased with the work we have done and, building on this experience, we would like to continue to grow.

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