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Cercas, this is how my prejudices about the Catholic Church fell

 Javier Cercas

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6' min read

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Versione italiana

The Catholic Church told by a layman, or rather, as he called himself an anti-clerical atheist. This is the undertaking masterfully undertaken by Javier Cercas, one of the most appreciated contemporary writers," the most important civil writer in Europe", Aldo Cazzullo defined him. In 2023, Cercas was called upon by the Vatican to follow and narrate Pope Francis' trip to Mongolia, without filters, without restrictions. The fruit of that experience then became the fortunate and beautiful book 'God's Fool at the End of the World' (Guanda) in which Cercas debunks clichés about the Church and the Pope and goes to the heart of the Catholic creed, the Resurrection. We met Javier in Verona on the occasion of the review Social Poets

Javier you have repeatedly said that when you accepted the Vatican's request to go with Pope Francis to Mongolia, you first had to rid yourself of prejudices. What were your prejudices about the Church and which ones have fallen?

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The whole world is full of prejudices about the Catholic Church, Christianity and the Vatican. The whole world, not just me, was prejudiced. Prejudices against, but also in favour. The whole world thinks they know everything about the Catholic Church, especially in our countries with a very strong Catholic tradition like Spain and Italy. Back then, I had so many prejudices. How many have fallen? All of them, practically all.

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Give me some examples?

For example, I saw an anticlerical Church. Pope Francis was anticlerical in a very serious sense, in the sense that he thought that clericalism was the cancer of the Church, was the worst thing in the Church. Clericalism means the idea that the priest is above the faithful. This idea is catastrophic, Francis said. The priest is part of the faithful. The priest must be, he said with a very literary image, in front of the flock to show the direction, inside the flock with the faithful, because he is part of these faithful, and behind to help those who cannot continue. Never above. From clericalism come so many bad things for the Church, for example sexual abuse which is an abuse of power. But I can talk about so many other prejudices. For example the sense of humour. There is a sentence by Cioran, the Romanian philosopher, which is a kind of leitmotif in the book . He says, 'all religion is a crusade against a sense of humour'. A sense of humour is the most serious thing in the world, irony is a form of knowledge. This absence of humour, of irony, was one of the things that made me abandon, I think, the Church, Christianity. For a novelist, in fact, irony and a sense of humour are fundamental. We were saying about prejudice. What I found in the Church, in the Vatican, a Pope, Francis, who claimed a sense of humour. Perhaps the most beautiful phrase that Francis said is the one he said to a friend, a character in my book, a vaticanist with whom he was very close. One day he told him 'the closest thing to divine grace is a sense of humour'. He was thinking in Spanish. In Spanish a gracious person is a person who makes people laugh. A gracious thing is a thing that makes one laugh. This is wonderful because even if you are not a believer you feel that when you laugh you have an intelligence of things. Here are two examples of great prejudices about the Church, clericalism and the lack of a sense of humour. All the prejudices I had before I went to Mongolia are gone

You highlight the missionary vision Pope Francis had of the Church, and it is a vision we also find in Pope Leo, because he himself was a missionary. Do you think this is the way for the Church today, this missionary nature?

In my opinion it is obvious. Pope Francis spoke of a missionary Church, an outgoing Church, he said. This missionary Church is a Church that returns to the Christianity of Christ. Once again, prejudices must be abandoned. Christ was a revolutionary, he said all men and women are equal in a world where slavery was everywhere. Even today it is very dangerous to say this, he is revolutionary. His companions were very poor people, people who had nothing. He was crucified because he was a dangerous man . The great French writer Charles Peguy said that 'the farthest thing from Christianity is the bourgeois spirit'. Today, after Vatican II, the great revolution that the Church wants to make and the great revolution that Francis wanted to make and that he has not been able to make, because it is not a revolution for one Pope, it is a revolution for 50 Popes, is to return to this Christianity of Christ, which the missionaries embody today. This does not mean that to be a Christian one must go to Mongolia, but that a true Christian must have a missionary spirit. The future of the Church is to return to the Christianity of the origins

You say the Church today has a language problem?

Yes I think the Church has a language problem and I think Francis was very aware of this problem. On the one hand the language of the Church is sometimes hermetic, nobody understands some substantial things. For example the word, perhaps the most important of Francis' papacy, is a word that no one understands outside the Church, but also in the Church, synodality. There are many words that the Church uses that are hermetic, that are not understood. On the one hand there is this, on the other hand the problem is that the language of the Church is old, it is not interesting, it is not strong. The last book Francis published is called Viva la Poesia. Poetry is the word in the strongest, most vital, richest sense. The Church needs this. Obviously the Church needs first and foremost the personal example of Christians, of people who show an attractive, extraordinary, even heroic way of life, but this linguistic revolution is also necessary. The language of the Church must be understood and must be attractive

Francesco said it very clearly no one is saved alone. Is fraternity in your opinion a possible path today?

Fraternity is not a possibility, fraternity is a fact, this is forgotten, this is very strange. That is, of the three terms that create modernity, liberty, equality and fraternity, we always talk about liberty and equality, which are complex concepts, very complex. Equality means that we are equal before the law, not that we are all equal. Freedom is also a complex concept, freedom does not mean doing what you want, because you have to respect others, you have to have limits. These are two complex concepts. Fraternity is a fact, we are all brothers, this is not a possibility, it is not a complex concept, it is not a religious concept either, it is an obvious concept. There is the fact that we are brothers and that our attitude must respond to this obvious fact.

There are many conflicts in the world. One very close to us. Had we deluded ourselves that we had eliminated war, at least on our own continent?

Yes, war has always existed. It was an illusion to think that democracy that brought peace would be extended to the whole world, that democracy was 'the only game in town', as a political scientist used to say. The crisis of 2008 showed how democracy today is in a deep crisis. Today we are experiencing a growth of authoritarianism everywhere, and this growth of authoritarianism everywhere is responsible for the return of war even in Europe, even in Ukraine. What is the solution? More democracy . Hatred exists, war exists, we must fight against this, but being aware that it is part of history and not being naive.

Your country is among those that have taken the most initiatives for Palestine, even many intellectuals, yourself, have mobilised. Even if it comes to an end, how do we get out of this spiral of hatred?

First the war must end, immediately. No more killing people, no more of this terrible slaughter, After that it is necessary to help the Israelis and the Palestinians by being less dogmatic, without saying these are the good guys and these are the bad guys. Netanyahu is clearly not right, that much is clear. What he is doing is a horror. Israel's worst enemy today is Netanyahu, but Israelis have the right to have a safe place in the world. The same goes for the Palestinians. They have the right to live in a safe place, in peace, but Hamas is not right. It was not so easy to find peace in Europe. We have to help these people, not impose our solution and it will not be easy.. It is a conflict that has existed for many years. Even what is happening in Ukraine is a horror, so many children, women, men dead. We must help these people. We Europeans sometimes have this need to be on the correct side of history and to judge others. I say less judgement and more help

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