Conference in Rome

Defence industry, Pontecorvo (Leonardo): 'It is a time when it is difficult for everyone to choose what to do'

The company's chairman spoke at the Connact Defence & Security 2025 conference, entitled 'Common European Defence: Financing and Industrial Integration': 'There is a need for clear rules, funding is there because the demand is there... We have about a thousand products in our portfolio. Too many. We are concerning the relationship with our suppliers. We could double production tomorrow, but there is a lack of manpower Defence'.

Un momento del convegno Connact Defence & Security 2025, dal titolo “Difesa comune europea: finanziamenti e integrazione industriale”.

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The game that the European Union is being called upon to play in terms of defence investment must be played in a way that is complementary to the efforts and 'capability targets' defined by NATO, as, moreover, reiterated between the lines in the new White Paper. Beyond funding, which promises to be substantial, the industry is asking for long time horizons, long-term planning and, of course, certainty of resources. This was the message launched at the Connact Defence & Security 2025 conference, entitled 'Common European Defence: Financing and Industrial Integration', held at Spazio Europa in Rome. Above all, less bureaucracy is needed. 'We needed six months to obtain four authorisations,' recalled Stefano Pontecorvo, president of Leonardo, in his speech. 'Do they ruin our lives? No, they delay us. They are bureaucratic sticks that the industry of now does not need'.

Pontecorvo (Leonardo): we need a clear regulatory framework and contracts, change paradigm Defence

The starting question, the red thread that accompanied the debate. was 'what does the defence industry need? Pontecorvo had his say: 'it needs clear rules, funding is there because the demand is there.... What I realised about the new financial instruments is that a large part is debt. And I realise that for a country like ours, any country, making the distinction between social spending and security spending is not always an easy arbitrage. We have heard what Minister Giorgetti said, on the other hand it is agreeable.... I believe,' Pontecorvo continued, 'that the defence industry must help to make a paradigm shift, that is, defence yes, but we are talking about security of which defence is a part'.

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"When you are in a crisis situation, you have to be able to compact the home front as well, and the home front compacts if your critical infrastructure, your global data and so on are defended. And so Leonardo is equipping itself from this point of view, and it is equipping itself trivially by strengthening our cyber capacity. Few people know this,' the company chairman emphasised, 'Leonardo is also an excellence in cyber, we do, we provide cyber security to the European Union, to parts of NATO, to the ESA, i.e. international bodies that can choose anywhere and have crazy pressure to choose anywhere, they choose Leonardo, so we do our own... But we are also moving into the security domain, and the security domain is defended not only with tanks and everything else, but with the use of enabling technology that allows us to safeguard our infrastructure as well. Perhaps it is a strange speech to hear from the president of Leonardo, of Leonardo, but we see beyond the challenge of pure defence,' the Leonardo president added.

"It is a time, however, when it is difficult for all of us to choose what to do, nobody has a crystal ball.

In his speech, Pontecorvo emphasised that 'we need a certain regulatory framework and contracts, at a time when it is, however, difficult for all of us to choose what to do, because an aircraft that has to come on line in 2035, ten years from now, will it be a pilot or an unmanned aircraft? A ship that has to come on line, because how long does it take you? Eight years to build? No, more or less. Five years from now. What is it? A traditional design must invest in safety and must invest in research and development. At Leonardo, out of over 17 billion in turnover since last year, we have invested a clean 2.5 billion in research and development. But nobody has a crystal ball. Surely all this must be cyber secure, first, and second multi-domain. What does that mean? That everyone talks to everyone. The wagon through satellite connections talks to the helicopter, the helicopter talks to its ship and ours. This is a quantum balance for defence, and part of that is also the concept of being able to secure, in the sense of securing, all our infrastructures'.

"We have about a thousand products in our portfolio. Too many. We are concerning the relationship with our suppliers."

"I fear that the demand" for the defence sector "will be there for a long time," Pontecorvo confided. What will this demand be? That remains to be seen. There is an evolution within us and also in our supply chain, which is an interesting thing. We as Leonardo, and I think a bit all of us, are looking at the relationship with our suppliers, especially the larger ones, because we have about a thousand products in our portfolio. There are too many of them. Some of them are even, I don't say obsolete, because Leonardo doesn't sell obsolete things, but they have lower margins and could be done better by leaner companies'. 'What we are doing with our supply chain,' he explained, 'is to identify those who could do the entire product and subcontract, freeing up resources for us, space, financing, etc., helping our small and medium-sized companies, our human resources. We,' Pontecorvo said, 'have 4,000 in Italy and 12,000 in the world, helping them to grow as well.

"Supply chain is a largely underestimated problem"

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"Keep in mind that the supply chain is a largely underestimated problem,' stressed the Leonardo president. 'Those who are involved in industry know this, China owns 70 per cent of everything. It is useless to say aluminium, belium, lithium, etc... 70% of everything passes through the Chinese, who have 30-year contracts with Africa, Asia, etc... These are problems that actually the European Union should, there is much talk of taxonomy, there is much talk of a list of 32 critical materials, what is being done? Still very little. I believe that the most advanced of all is our government, with Minister Urso, who has at least begun to pose the problem and try to solve it'.

"We could double production tomorrow, but there is a lack of defence manpower"

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Then there is the problem of lack of skills. 'We are at about 95 per cent capacity,' he explained. 'We can double tomorrow, because we are doing well and we have the potential financiers out the door, we could very well double the plants, but there is no labour. We, for example, use artificial intelligence a lot as an enabling technology for a production process. Leonardo has the High Performance Computer, the DaVinci 1, which is the third most powerful in the world, after Nasa, Japan and Aerospace, so we are in excellent company. We are doubling it, we are planning to do even more and make artificial intelligence a line of business. We will get there within the timeframe of our business plan, but we are competing for staff and capacity'. The supercomputer, Pontecorvo recalled, 'cannot be bought, it has to be built. You have to know how to build it. Future defence is a bit more sensitive, but no different from the rest of industry. Artificial intelligence applied to production processes will bring unimaginable change to those who do not deal with it. On the other hand, the first ones to call for its regulation, a unique case in history, are those who do it, from Altman to Zuckerberg... in an industry that risks putting us all not on foot, because we are not walking, but inside a dimension that we did not think of. Governing that kind of industrial transformation, not only in defence, will require strategic thinking that I don't see around yet,' concluded Leonardo's chairman.

Cucino (Fincantieri): with EU plan quality leap, now Defence regulatory framework

"It is clear that what we expect is that there will be a qualitative leap, because the defence industry, not only in Italy but also in Europe, has always been there, but it has worked with instruments that were necessary at a time when we did not expect what happened,' recalled Davide Cucino Fincantieri, SVP, EU and NATO affairs, who also spoke at the conference. Now what we need are new instruments that enable states to take a quantum leap. Having said that, there is a problem of speed, of regulatory framework. In a couple of months, we will have the publication of the Defence Omnibus, which is certainly an instrument that will allow us to cut through the many bureaucracies that we, as the defence industry, have been struggling with up to now, and in some ways it will allow us to speed up a whole process of technological innovation, both in participating in tenders and in trying to integrate the various opportunities that are offered at European Union level.

"I remember that in these months we are also discussing the preparation of the next multiannual framework of the European Union and within the multiannual framework there will also be a great simplification, it is likely that there will be a single large fund that will be called the fund for competitiveness and within this should somehow be allowed an integration between various forms and various instruments - concluded Cucino - I say this because it is one of the difficulties that we had until yesterday: we tried many times to coordinate some topics, some topics of Horizon Europe to be preparatory to the defence fund and we could not do it because of different regulations and technical issues. So probably this step forward will allow the defence industrialists to work in a different way'.

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