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Massimo Doris: 'I am not leaving Banca Mediolanum, no adventure in politics'

The CEO: 'Only flattered and pleased to be considered for such a role, but I have absolutely no intention of playing politics'

by Alberto Grassani

5' min read

Translated by AI
Versione italiana

5' min read

Translated by AI
Versione italiana

The market looks at profit distribution policy, not policy dividends, and Banca Mediolanum, which has reached 15 billion capitalisation and guaranteed shareholders a return of over 68% in the last 12 months, totally absorbs the interest of its CEO Massimo Doris. With the stock markets setting a new all-time high on Wall Street, the bank's headquarters in Basiglio are talking as always about one topic: savings.

On a frosty and rainy day, in the street named after Ennio Doris, where Silvio Berlusconi's Milano 3 opens up to the Lombardy plain, optimism is in the air: a board of directors has just approved a bonus for all employees again this year 'to share', explains Massimo Doris, 'the extraordinary results of 2025' and the outlook remains positive for 2026. In short, Massimo Doris's possible descent into the field for the new Forza Italia, a hypothesis that has received a lot of media attention in recent days, seems at least as excluded as a takeover by the group. The focus is on the results coming in next week, with the average consensus of the business houses (according to the Bloomberg platform) also speaking of profits of over a billion euros for 2025.

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Why don't you like the idea of a takeover?

The bank has the capital strength to grow, a Cet 1 of 23.2% after the distribution of an interim extra dividend linked to the sale of the stake in Mediobanca. However, for the time being, I exclude mergers or acquisitions. Firstly, because some of our competitors are overvalued compared to us (Mediolanum has a price/earnings ratio of 14.3 and Fineco 22.3, ed.) and an integration would inevitably be dilutive, and then because in the wealth management and network banking sector, acquisitions are risky: the strong link between private bankers and clients makes combinations complex and exposes non-loyal networks to the actions of competitors and the loss of assets under management. These operations are completely different from the classic mergers between traditional banks, such as Intesa San Paolo with Ubi: between network banks, instead, you acquire private bankers who are not expected to follow you with their clients.

In the summer there was talk of your interest in Banca Generali

This is not on the agenda. The main reason, apart from the difficulty as mentioned of understanding what exactly you are buying when you take over a network of bankers, is linked to the governance of our group: my family controls about 40% of the capital of Banca Mediolanum, and with Fininvest, there is a stable shareholding of 70%. This allows us to make long-term choices in the interests of the company; freedoms that, with a different, diluted shareholding structure, a managing director sometimes cannot afford.

A week before the Olympics, with many groups undergoing reorganisation from Anima to Mediobanca, the favourite sport in the wealth management sector seems to be fishing for the best bankers from competitors

We lose few and buy few. We have a turnover below 3% and I don't like to take financial advisors from other networks. I don't fundamentally prevent our managers from doing that, but if I do, I prefer to bring in professionals from a banking background: salaried employees who change their lives to become financial advisors have great motivation.

Piazza Affari has been transformed by the takeover season. The main financial game, the takeover of Mediobanca by Mps, has seen you as protagonists: as a group you sold your Mediobanca shares at the beginning of the summer and as a family you joined the Ops, how do you judge the reorganisation and what do you expect?

The relationship with Mediobanca started with the industrial alliance of Banca Esperia in 2000 and with a share exchange. Later they were forced to sell the stake in Mediolanum for regulatory reasons, while we kept it, even when the strategic and industrial reasons disappeared. However, that shareholding was an exception in our treasury activities (only loans to clients and government bonds, ed.), with an impact on shareholders' equity and Cet 1. With the arrival of Mps, I proposed selling the stake in Mediobanca and the board unanimously voted in favour of the sale. The problem arose there: we could not sell the share held by the family financial company at the same time, to avoid conflicts of interest with the bank's operations, while selling the share in the following days would have exposed us to repercussions if the sale price had turned out to be higher than that achieved with the accelerated placement. Thus, the family office decided to keep that stake of about 0.95% in Mediobanca and then to contribute it to the Mps Ops.

What now?

We are staying in the investment for now. We may perhaps adjust the holding a little in the future, although I am convinced that the Italian banking sector will continue to do well.

As he pointed out, Banca Mediolanum has always benefited from stability in its governance, next year the board of directors will be renewed, will there be the return of the historical partner Fininvest to the board?

Yes, in 2027 the shareholders' meeting will vote on the new lists and we will certainly involve Fininvest, as happened in the past before a Bankitalia measure intervened in 2014. Obviously today Mediolanum Spa transformed into Banca Mediolanum is under the supervision of the ECB but following the rules of the central bank we will open the board to Fininvest.

Could this be the return of Luigi Berlusconi, who has already been a councillor for several years?

I would be delighted if it were him, also because he has gained important experience in the financial sphere. But of course the decision on candidacies must be discussed with the shareholder Fininvest and must be made in compliance with the governance rules, that is to say, meeting all the requirements on independents, gender quotas, and must ultimately have the approval of BCE, especially on the profiles and skills of each director.

Speaking of investments, never before has the way of the markets been shaken by politics, American politics above all but not only. And speaking of Italy, his name is insistently circulating for a leading role in the next Forza Italia. What is true? Would you be interested?

I'm just flattered and I'm obviously delighted to be considered for such a role but I have absolutely no intention of doing politics because I like my job, I'm more suited to it and the results of the group say that I'm also quite successful at it. If I were to accept politics I would have to leave Banca Mediolanum and I don't think about it.

Your father made much the same choice: he shared with Silvio Berlusconi the business project of a lifetime but preferred not to enter politics. How is the new generation - you and Marina Berlusconi - doing? Do you talk politics?

Yes, also. I met her in the last few days, the articles had just come out with the hypothesis of my coming into the field and we also discussed it with Danilo Pellegrino. I explained to them that I had absolutely no intention of entering politics and they totally shared my position.

Closing with politics, the financial sector asked the banking sector for a major contribution, but what would you ask of politics?

To put more emphasis on growth. There is a lot of talk about public debt and on this the government, in particular Minister Giorgetti, has done an excellent job, because having a spread at 60 basis points not only reduces the burden of refinancing public debt but also lowers the financing costs of businesses, creates efficiency in the Italian system. But the debt/GDP ratio must be managed both at the numerator and denominator: we must focus on growth, confidence, a positive climate and investments. Prime Minister Meloni then gave back weight and centrality to our country in general.

Tariffs, conflicts, geopolitical risks, the period does not help?

You have to be optimistic especially in crisis situations, solve problems and take opportunities from them: that is my father Ennio's greatest lesson. Donald Trump, for example, you cannot change him, but Europe can exploit problems and the tariffs chaos, as it did with the trade agreement with India and, to some extent, by pushing Mercosur. Problems and crises must be exploited to create new growth.

Banca Mediolanum was a generational change that worked; is the third generation already on the way?

I have two children and Sara five. The two of us are of the same mind in this respect too: since everyone has to choose their own path in life, here at Banca Mediolanum the doors will naturally always be open to all of them.

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