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Navy Chief of Staff Bergotto warns: 'The defence of Hormuz is not zero risk'

The Admiral spoke on the policies of his mandate before the Senate Foreign Affairs and Defence Committee: "Personnel is the problem because the sailor has a sacrificed life and above all has a life that does not allow the modern young person to use social media"

by Andrea Carli

Un momento dell’audizione in commissione Affari esteri e Difesa del Senato del Capo di Stato maggiore della Marina militare, ammiraglio di squadra Giuseppe Berutti Bergotto. L’ammiraglio, a destra nella foto,  è intervenuto sulle linee programmatiche del suo mandato Foto tratta dalla diretta video del Senato

5' min read

Translated by AI
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5' min read

Translated by AI
Versione italiana

Italia along with the UK, France, Germany, the Netherlands and Japan denounced the attacks on commercial ships in the Persian Gulf and the de facto closure of the Strait of Hormuz by Iran. The six governments agreed to contribute to efforts to ensure safe passage through the area. "No war mission," clarified Defence Minister Guido Crosetto, "no entry into Hormuz without a truce and without an extended multilateral initiative. We are aware, however, of the importance for everyone to work for the safe reopening of Hormuz and we believe that it is right and proper that the United Nations provides the legal framework for a peaceful and multilateral initiative to achieve this goal'.

Navy Chief of Staff Bergotto: "Zero risk on a possible escort on Hormuz I don't have it"

Now the Navy's Chief of Staff, Admiral Giuseppe Berutti Bergotto, speaking on Wednesday 25 March in a hearing before the Senate's Foreign Affairs and Defence Committee, reiterates that a possible operation in those waters would have its risks. "Hormuz is very peculiar," he said, "but like all straits: 33 kilometres, of these 33 kilometres think that there are two channels like a motorway, two ways, one going up and one going out. Such an area is easily blocked even with a handheld weapon. Think of the Rpg (Rocket Propelled Grenade, portable anti-tank weapons designed to penetrate the armour of vehicles, ed): one goes out with a six-metre boat, an engine approaches, so the defence of Hormuz is not simple, it's not simple at all, even if we manage to eliminate the missile threat there is an even simpler threat. That's why the defence of Hormuz is absolutely not a zero-risk thing. We are capable, we have the ships that allow us, but you see (the Admiral is responding to a question posed by a senator, ed.) even those surface drones can help to try to interact with the threat as far away as possible, but I have no zero risk on a possible escort on Hormuz, which I have instead in the Red Sea, because that with greater distances, with the ease of seeing if someone actually goes out with a boat and be able to intervene on Hormuz given the distances I do not have it.

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"For us, personnel is the problem"

The Admiral also addressed the personnel issue. "For us," he emphasised in his speech, "it is a problem and since the beginning of my mandate I always say: 'The Navy is technologically advanced, from an industrial point of view I can have products that are up-to-date and usable at all times'. But personnel is the problem: it is the problem because the sailor has a sacrificed life and above all he has a life that does not allow the modern young person to use social media. You may not believe it, but one of the biggest problems for our young people is not being able to use social media; from the other point of view,' Berutti Bergotto continued, 'they are 'sponges', they want to learn, they want to know, and they want to do jobs that they consider important, so what we used to do in the past, i.e. when the sailor came and we put him in the mess, we put him to clean the squares, we put him to wash the shanks, we cannot do that any more, so what we are doing is a lot of initiatives, not only for enlistment but especially for retention.

"We lose so many people, they prefer to go to the prison police too"

"The Navy, but not only the Navy, also the other armed forces," continued the admiral, "are seen as a bridge (bridge, ed.) that gives these young people skills to then go on to the competitions: Carabinieri, Guardia di Finanza, Police, Prison Police. We also lose many people to go to the Prison Police. And if a 20-year-old girl goes to the Prison Police it is a problem, it means that we are not able to give what they expect to stay, it is a challenge, we are facing it'.

"In the Mediterranean, the security of critical submarine infrastructure must be sought"

One passage of the Navy Chief of Staff's speech was on security below sea level. 'Until some time ago,' he recalled, 'all nations put critical infrastructure on the seabed without any protection, because it was imagined that a depth in itself gave inherent security. That is no longer the case. Nowadays, 3,000 metres are easily accessible to everyone, both state and non-state actors, and at a low price. If you think that the Mediterranean is a relatively shallow sea, only 15 per cent is deeper than 3,000 metres, this makes you realise that it is a sea where the security of critical submarine infrastructures must be sought'

"Threats change all the time"

Then there is the issue of how to deal with ever-changing security challenges. 'We,' said Berutti Bergotto, 'are a navy that can adapt to changing threats. I was talking to the head of the Ukrainian Navy, and he was telling me that the threat he faces tomorrow is not the threat he faces today, which is to say that there is a rapid evolution of the threat. Every 24 hours. They bring to the battlefield an industrial team that simultaneously tries to adapt defences as the threat changes'.

The experience of the EU Aspides mission and the costs of bringing down drones

"This," the admiral recalled, "is what we did in Aspides (the EU mission to protect merchant shipping in the Red Sea, the Gulf of Aden and the Persian Gulf, ed.). You know that while escorting merchant traffic we had to react against drones. So initially we used the system that for us was the safest and the most certain to shoot down the drone, which was the missile. But the missile costs an average of EUR 1.2 million, the drone costs EUR 20,000. If you start thinking about sustainability, you say no, there is something wrong. And so we started to adapt with the systems we already had and had never used in that threat, the cannons. And I must say that in the course of the days we used the cannons very effectively, saving the missile. This is what the Italian navies and navy do. We try to adapt more and more to the threat. To do that, and because the threat changes day by day, we cannot follow the normal rules of procurament, because otherwise we will have systems that can be used in a few years, when they are already old".

The Times of Procurement

The game is also played on the ability to acquire the appropriate weapon systems, as quickly as possible. "I will give you an example, but only to say that what we were doing was not going so well,' Berutti Bergotto said. 'In 2012 we had 'foreseen the future' and had tried to integrate an aerial drone to increase the surveillance capacity of our ships. We had also identified the drone, which was a drone from Boeing, which was the only company making a drone that could be used from ships at that time, because a drone that is used from ships does not have the simplicity of one that is used from land. Do you know how long it took us to certify it and use it? 12 years. That is to say, I used this drone in 2024 and from being a 'visionary' I became someone with obsolescence to manage. What we are doing is trying to go beyond the normal rules of procurement, obviously the legal rules, and to have systems that are quick to use, and this has forced us to go to the market. So we saw what the market was offering us, we gathered all these companies, took them on a ship, and said: 'Well, this is the field where your systems have to operate. Show us." The new threats are forcing the defence to review practices that until a few years ago seemed established.

Meanwhile, Iran is reportedly allowing ships to pass through the Strait of Hormuz, but on condition that payments for oil are in yuan. China, besides being a historical partner, is above all Tehran's main oil customer.

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