The interview

Prodi: 'We are servants in the face of Trump, indecisive in the face of the Chinese'

The former prime minister: the EU has a united capacity to intervene, European reformism is needed. Indispensable to look to Beijing rather than the West

Emilia Patta

Piano inclinato

Nella foto: Romano Prodi; Fabio Tamburini

4' min read

Translated by AI
Versione italiana

4' min read

Translated by AI
Versione italiana

"We act like servants in front of Donald Trump and don't know how to behave in front of the Chinese. Europe should have a united capacity to act. It would take European reformism'.

At the Trento Festival of Economics, former Prime Minister and former President of the EU Commission Romano Prodi, interviewed by the editor-in-chief of Sole 24 ore Fabio Tamburini, confirms his pessimistic outlook on the global scenario and Europe's weakness. A pessimism well portrayed by the quote from Thucydides that he chooses, almost as if the world had returned to that of over two thousand years ago: "On the part of Israel and the US there is an extraordinary strategic capacity but a political incapacity that I have never understood. The real quote from Thucydides to quote is 'the world is made this way, the powerful do what they want and the weak suffer what they can'. Trump has put it into practice."

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A pessimism that has, however, faded somewhat in recent days on the Middle East front, Prodi confides, because 'on the one hand Israel has in fact been sidelined and on the other both the US and Iran need to bring the conflict to a swift end and arrive at peace, or rather a truce'.

There remains the problem of Europe, the shard pot among the iron pots (Russia, but above all the US and China), which is struggling to overcome its historical divisions and eliminate the suicidal mechanism of unanimous voting in order to play its rightful role on the international stage. The Professor reiterates that in the current state of affairs, with the tycoon at the helm overseas, it is all the more essential to look to the East rather than the West: "If we do not conclude something strong with China, we will no longer be able to export anything. We Europeans still have an extraordinary industrial capacity, a gross product that is almost equal to that of the US if we include Switzerland, Norway and Great Britain'. As a former EU president, Prodi recalled Angela Merkel's attempt in 2020 with the Eu-China Comprehensive agreement on investment, an agreement on rules between China and Europe, but then the United States 'prevented this and there was later the quarrel between China and the European Parliament and nothing was concluded'. Now, after six years, Germany and Europe have changed skin, with the strong German rearmament worrying because it 'changes the European structure': 'Now that Germany has invested in a single day, with the government not yet in place, a thousand billion in its army, France must understand: we need an EU defence'.

And if, with the return of nationalism and protectionism, France and Germany, the founding countries, "are friends but no longer brothers as in the past", the role, also historical, of Italia becomes even more important: "It is the Italian function that is missing, that of the glue", he says, accusing the government led by Giorgia Meloni of only looking at the duration of the executive ("what does duration count for, for the mere counting of days or to do something for the future?").

What is missing, Prodi points out, is dear old reformism. "In the post-war period we had two generations in which social justice increased. Then, after Thatcher, liberalism broke out. Blair-like reformists thought they could govern it but inequality increased. If reformism does not make the rules about the world of the future, and I am not anti-market, we can only build societies in which those on wages cannot support their families. Reformism must do something for social justice, there is too much inequality: there would be resurrection in a single day because there is a huge need. Like Spain did, which tried to harmonise things. We would need European reformism, but what has happened to reformism, where are the meetings between European reformists?". He talks about European reformism, Prodi, but thinks about what is missing in our centre-left, which only seems stronger because it is the government that has weakened. "The majority led by Meloni is in a moment of weakness: the idea of accompanying greater weakness with early elections is a logic that I do not see. Right now there is no real push to anticipate elections, because the government was much stronger three months ago than it is today. It is not the broad camp that is stronger, still prisoner of the differences between allies, it is the government that is weaker'.

Time is running out on the stage of Trento's Social Theatre. Is it ever possible that in recent years it has been not political leaders but two popes, first Francis and now Leo XIV, who have given voice to peoples' need for peace? 'One can also answer that they are two different professions...'. What advice would the Professor give to PD secretary Elly Schlein? 'I don't give advice, especially if it is not asked for,' says the founder of the Ulivo and first card-carrying member of the PD who has long since moved his 'tent' outside the party enclosure. And a return to politics in the first person? Prodi rules it out for reasons of age. 'Even though I was very happy in Palazzo Chigi,' he admits, drawing smiles and applause.

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