The investigation

Toti under interrogation for 8 hours: 'Never lobbied or favoured anyone, every euro used for politics'

The interrogation is the first step towards the request for revocation of the house arrest that will be submitted to the judge for preliminary investigations

by Redaction Rome

Il  governatore della Liguria Giovanni Toti  arriva alla caserma della Guardia di finanza di piazza Cavour per l'interrogatorio con i pubblici ministeri titolari dell'inchiesta sulla corruzione in porto Federico Manotti e Luca Monteverde a Genova, 23 maggio 2024.  ANSA

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The long interrogation of Liguria Region Governor Giovanni Toti, who has been suspended and under house arrest since 7 May in the Liguria corruption investigation, has ended after almost eight hours. More than 100 questions were answered by Toti, who was heard by the prosecutors in the Guardia di Finanza barracks inside the port of Genoa, at Molo Giano. The governor answered all the questions asked, in order to clarify his position on the charges laid in the order. Giovanni Toti, housebound under house arrest since 7 May on charges of corruption, answered all the questions posed, to clarify his position with regard to the charges that the prosecutor's office is accusing him of.

Assisted by lawyer Stefano Savi, the president of the Liguria Region responded to the various accusations, from the dispute over the money that ended up in his committee's coffers, to his relations with the Spinelli family and other entrepreneurs, from the alleged pressure to guarantee him advantages to the hypothesis of vote bargaining to guarantee his victory.

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The questions that prosecutors Federico Manotti and Luca Monteverde, with deputy Vittorio Ranieri Miniati, asked Toti concern the funding received not only by Aldo Spinelli and Francesco Moncada, but also by landfill king Pietro Colucci and other entrepreneurs.

Toti to pm: 'never pressurised or favoured anyone'

"I have never overstepped the specific competences of the bodies and offices in charge, I have never interfered in the free choices and decisions of the subjects involved, I have never put pressure on any subject, I have never served a particular interest to the detriment of the collective interest. This is one of the passages of the statement that Ligurian governor Giovanni Toti, who was arrested for corruption, handed over to the prosecutors during an interrogation that lasted about eight hours. "Never has such attention been expressed in overcoming or modifying the opinion of their own offices or the investigations of third-party bodies, such as the port authority offices. My intervention at the political/functional level has always been strictly limited to the authorisation path traced by the offices in charge in each field, limiting myself to asking for attention consistent with the market's need for speed, or the realisation of the works urged by the other administrative and governing bodies (port, mayor Bucci's commission structures) or to soliciting, within the administrative and legislative paths, the diligence and attention of the Ligurian municipalities in implementing the regional strategic plans,' Toti added.

"Acted to bring prestige to Liguria, every euro used for politics"

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"My political action has always been aimed at safeguarding the dignity and lustre of the Region and its institutions", "every intervention in favour of economic initiatives has been public" and "even every donation of money has taken place with the utmost transparency". This was written by the Ligurian governor Giovanni Toti, who was arrested for corruption, in a statement delivered to the Genoa prosecutors in charge of the investigation that has caused an earthquake in Ligurian politics. Among the charges are contested the transfers made to the political committees, but the President of the Liguria Region defends himself: 'All donations of money were credited using traceable methods and accounted for. Similarly, all expenses incurred (both in support of my political activity as leader of the Toti list in the Regional Council and in many municipal administrations, and in support of mayors, lists and candidates connected and consistent with the Toti list's political line, and of the government coalition's initiatives) have been accounted for and publicised in accordance with the law and even beyond. Budgets and accounts were (and still are) published on the websites of the political organisations supporting me,' he stressed. 'Every euro collected has had a political destination: no contribution has produced personal enrichment or utility for me, for the other members of my party or for private third parties,' Toti points out. "And precisely in order to dispel the slightest possible suspicion and guarantee maximum transparency and possibility of control, particular attention has been paid to separating every economic aspect of my private life from any economic activity linked to politics, to the extent of separating even my personal current accounts and using only dedicated and 'transparent' accounts for political activity, with credit and expense instruments that are traced, traceable, and always rigorously documentable,' the governor concludes.

The governor's defensive line

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The governor, assisted by lawyer Stefano Savi, reiterated his line of defence. That is, that there was no illicit financing, that those received were liberal donations given by private citizens who received nothing in return, and that the resolutions adopted and decisions made were always 'for the good of the community'. And, again, that the expenses were all tracked, all spent on political initiatives without putting anything in their pockets.

From list account to personal account

55 thousand euro

Prosecutors Luca Monteverde and Federico Manotti, who accuse him of bribery, forgery and vote exchange, do not think the same way. So much so that it emerges from the investigation papers that from the Toti Committee's account, with Intesa San Paolo, 55,000 euro would have been passed to the president's personal account with Carige, in an operation that mixes funding, legally paid by supporters, with the personal assets of the governor of Liguria. In the deeds, the Guardia di Finanza specifies that the Carige account, on which the governor's secretary was delegated to operate, is "habitually used as a 'political account'" and that the bank investigations have verified that "it was usually used to support expenses related to the political activity" of Toti and his "entourage".

Request for revocation of house arrest

The interrogation is the first step towards the request for revocation of the house arrest that will be submitted by the governor's lawyers to the judge for preliminary investigations. And should it be obtained, the president could confront his majority and decide whether or not to resign.

Rejected withdrawal of interdiction order for Moncada of Esselunga

The resignation was not enough for Francesco Moncada, former board member of Esselunga. The manager is subject to interdiction because, according to the indictment, he allegedly paid for advertisements, in a covert manner, for Toti's party during the election campaign for the municipal elections in Genoa. In return, the paperwork for the opening of supermarkets in Genoa, Savona and Rapallo would have been 'accelerated'. Moncada had resigned after the investigation broke out. He had made spontaneous statements, rejecting the accusations, and had filed a petition for dismissal. The application was rejected by the gip, who justified the decision by explaining that the resignation was not sufficient as there was a concrete and current danger of further corruption.

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