The word from the manager: Payden & Rygel

'We prefer investment grade bonds in euro'

"In terms of geographical areas, from a fundamental point of view, Spain is one of our favourite countries"

Paul Saint-Pasteur, gestore del Team Global Fixed Income di Payden & Rygel. (Photo by Andre Camara)

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3' min read

Translated by AI
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Paul Saint-Pasteur, manager of the Global Fixed Income Team at Payden & Rygel, outlines the global bond market, showing a clear preference for corporate bonds over government bonds. Positive view on Spain and investment grade bonds in euro. Neutrality on Italy.

In the current market scenario, which eurozone countries' debt could be interesting to invest in?

From a fundamental point of view, Spain is one of our favourite countries. The economy is showing resilience thanks to an improving labour market, good domestic demand and solid exports. At the fiscal level, the country is making progress, in contrast to the deterioration of larger economies such as France. This could favour an upgrade of their rating. However, these improvements are already partly reflected in Spanish government bond yields.

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What is your position on Italian debt? Could the new BTp issue be interesting?

We are currently neutral on Italian debt. BTp bonds appear expensive in terms of valuation, but fundamentals are improving. We prefer exposure to Italy via corporate bonds. At the macro level, expected growth remains modest, but the deficit could narrow, and a stable political environment could favour an improvement in the rating. A widening of BTp spreads would be an opportunity to increase exposure.

IL CONFRONTO

L’andamento degli spread dei titoli societari investment grade dell’area euro rispetto al rendimento complessivo

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Between corporate and government, which do you prefer?

Against this backdrop, we prefer corporate debt over government bonds. We recognise that corporate bond valuations are slightly expensive, but we believe that carry can be a good way to boost yields in the coming months. With default risks still limited and fundamentals relatively strong, we maintain an overweight in corporate bonds over government bonds, with a strong emphasis on careful stock selection.

In which sectors is there more potential today?

Currently, the dispersion in corporate credit is low and, with most credit premiums at historical highs, the relative value proposition between sectors is minimal. We have noted a robust banking sector and appreciate the diversified exposure of bank balance sheets. Otherwise, we focus more on underwriting credit securities from a bottom-up perspective, limiting the downside, rather than identifying value in specific credit sectors over others.

LE EMISSIONI

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How is the situation in the high-yield segment?

The high-yield market is experiencing historically compressed spread levels. However, we believe that the current macroeconomic environment could allow this situation to persist for some time to come, especially in light of corporate fundamentals that appear solid. Therefore, we believe an allocation to high-yield securities in portfolios is justified due to the higher yields they offer, but investors must be careful in selecting securities to avoid downside.

How is the default rate moving?

The default rate in the Global Hy segment has averaged about 3% over the past 5 years and was below 2% at the end of August 2025. However, the European high-yield has increased to 3% (August 2025) compared to an average of about 1.5% over the past 5 years. This is mainly due to two specific events that influenced the performance of the entire market: Altice France and Thames Water. This is therefore not a more widespread weakness

Does your credit rating greatly influence your portfolio choices?

We invest on the basis of our proprietary research and do not rely solely on credit ratings or rating agencies. However, it is important to understand the factors that determine potential changes from our fundamental expectations, as anticipating upgrades and downgrades of a security can represent a performance opportunity.

LE VALUTAZIONI

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What do you think about emerging debt?

We value emerging debt as fundamentals remain strong despite global uncertainties, with resilient growth, manageable tariff exposure, a healthy balance of payments and more favourable financial conditions, supported by stronger Em currencies and low inflation. In addition, technical factors are favourable, with active primary markets, diversified investor interest and limited net issuance, particularly in corporate debt, supporting demand.

And in currency terms?

We see interesting opportunities in both hard and local currencies, with countries such as Mexico, Peru, Brazil and Hungary among our favourites.

Interesting emissions right now?

We prefer euro-denominated investment grade bonds over dollar-denominated bonds, given the higher growth risks in the US. Credit curves being flat favour short maturities, particularly in emerging markets, where we see opportunities in sovereign and corporate issuers.

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