The interview

Cardinale: ‘Hollywood has become complacent, but it’s time to win the battle against Netflix’

The founder of RedBird explains the strategy for the new Skydance, in which he has invested 6 billion alongside Ellison: “Investment grade in three years”. On Italian football: “It needs to change”

Gerry Cardinale, numero uno di RedBird: azionista di Skydance e proprietario del Milan

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Versione italiana

4' min read

Translated by AI
Versione italiana

“Hollywood has become complacent.” And, according to Gerry Cardinale, Italian football has already lost ground for the same reason: it has stopped innovating. The head of RedBird – a key figure in the deal who, through his fund, now jointly controls the new Skydance (born out of the acquisition of Warner Bros Discovery) with the Ellisons – thus links the bet on Paramount-Warner to AC Milan. Six billion dollars invested by RedBird, thirty films a year and a streaming platform with 200 million subscribers: the plan is to challenge Netflix, whilst continuing to invest and generate cash to reduce net debt by as much as 80 billion. Speaking to *Il Sole 24 Ore*, he defends the business rationale behind the deal and RedBird’s ‘owner-operator’ model. And he urges Serie A to act: a more compelling league is needed to sell globally. All this on the day that the Lombardy Regional Administrative Court rejected the five appeals lodged against the sale of the current Meazza stadium and the land to Inter and Milan, thus paving the way for the construction of the new stadium, a project strongly championed by Cardinale, who, together with RedBird, has brought a long-term strategic vision and helped to accelerate a process already set in motion by the clubs.

Media mergers have, all too often, destroyed value in the past. Why will this one be any different?

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There was no business logic behind AT&T’s acquisition of Time Warner. But there is, however, in bringing together Paramount, Warner Bros Discovery and Skydance, and in collaborating with Oracle in the way we are doing so. We have iconic assets and brands that are difficult to replicate, and we will build on these, creating stronger platforms around them and utilising capital, technology, distribution and operational expertise to accelerate their growth and transformation. This is our owner-operator model.

With 80 billion in net debt, is there a risk that growth will be sacrificed for the sake of fiscal consolidation?

Either he believes I’m really good at what I do, with 35 years of results behind me, or he doesn’t. What nobody is talking about is that we also have 12 billion in cash flow from our declining linear cable business alone. We will reinvest the cash and pay off the debt, just as any other company in any other sector would. We will be investment grade in three years.

What results does this confidence rest on?

When we announced the Paramount deal, we forecast synergies of two billion. After three months of ownership, we have revised this figure to three billion. We will make thirty films a year. When we bought Paramount, it was making eight. The thirty films will capitalise on our brands: Top Gun, Mission: Impossible, Transformers and the DC Universe.

Will HBO Max and Paramount+ remain separate?

From an economic perspective, merging creates a huge number of efficiencies. We must not rely solely on cost-cutting: the merger generates synergies in back-office operations, infrastructure and technology. Those brands are extremely important. I strongly believe in them coexisting under a single platform. The idea is to offer consumers a single place where they can find original content, drama, non-drama programmes, live sport and news.

How much has RedBird invested in the deal?

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We’re talking about two billion from the Skydance-Paramount deal and another four billion, now, from the acquisition of Warner Bros Discovery. That makes a total of six billion in the pro forma combination, which will be renamed Skydance. But we’ll retain the brands.

Who will be making the decisions: you or David Ellison?

Ellison and RedBird jointly control Skydance. I have been working with the Ellisons for a decade. We will continue to lead as we have done so far, taking into account the contributions of the other investors and the board. It is a partnership, not a division of responsibilities or decision-making powers.

Could the new group bid for the Serie A rights in Italia, given Paramount’s policy in other countries?

We’ll see. I don’t know yet. I think DAZN is doing a great job. But anything is possible. We’ve got a lot to do and plenty of priorities to focus on before we start thinking about this.

Is there a link between this deal and his time at Milan?

Serie A used to be the Premier League. Milan were at the top. What happened? In these industries, if you become complacent and fail to reinvent yourself, if you don’t approach every day with a sense of urgency to innovate, you’ll be crushed by the competition. Hollywood became complacent. It thought it was protected. Then a DVD seller came along asking to licence the content. Netflix was born and crushed them, because technology had changed.

So what should be done?

I have said on several occasions that we need to improve the product, making it more appealing and interesting for distributors and the international audience as well. In Italia, people are a bit wary of change and there is some resistance to innovation. Italian football must innovate. It must change with a sense of urgency, and I want to be one of the driving forces behind this change. I see many similarities between Hollywood and Italian football: both have enormous potential and must urgently return to innovating.

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